The real rub with Vision is that they are just not a good value. I guess it would be easier if they made a piece of crap, but they don't. Vision makes a decent quality elliptical that will hold up fairly well in a home environment. Vision will probably take issue with what we are saying, but what they don't realize is that we don't do reviews in a vacuum. We also have to take into account what their competitors are doing, and how that makes the standards change as to what is average. If you are standing still, with regard to your product development, then you are getting left behind.